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Talking Crap!
A magical podcast
Episode 4

Talking crap is a podcast starring Levi "Thinks-he-owns-the-place" Hinz, and Cameron "Controversial" Veigel, bringing you opinions and insights you can happily ignore, or pass on to your children's children.

Insulting people in the nicest possible way.

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In this episode:

* Prerelease Stories and Comments
* Prerelease Staff
* Brisbane Tournament News
* Shards of Alara - Impact on standard
* Format of the Week: Elder Dragon Highlander (EDH)
* Deck tech: Standard WUB Control
* Upcoming Events
* Shout-Outs

Credits:
Starring: Levi Hinz and Cameron Veigel
Recording Date: Monday 29nd September, 2008
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Title and end song: The Knife - Heartbeats
Running time: Approx 33 mins.
File size: 7.8 Mb
Unofficial Rating: PG. Mild coarse language.
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weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:27 am Post subject:

Show notes

Deck Tech - WUB Control in Standard

3 Razormane Masticore
3 Sharuum the Hegemon
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae

4 Broken Ambitions
3 Executioner's Capsule
4 Courier's Capsule
4 Esper Charm
1 Oona's Grace
4 Cryptic Command
4 Wrath of God

4 Mind Stone

4 Esper Panorama
4 Arcane Sanctum
4 Reflecting Pool
3 Mystic Gate
2 Sunken Ruins
6 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp

SIDEBOARD
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Jace Beleren
3 Thoughtseize
3 Runed Halo
2 Mind Shatter

Rules for EDH - The Talking Crap "short version"

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1. Players must choose a legendary creature as the "General" for their deck.
2. The General's mana cost limits what coloured mana symbols may appear on cards in the deck.
3. An EDH deck must contain exactly 100 cards, including the General.
4. With the exception of basic lands, no two cards in the deck may have the same english name.
5. EDH is played with vintage legal cards, plus some additional banned cards
6. Generals are removed from the game before shuffling at the start of the game.
7. While a General is removed from the game, it may be played. As an additional cost to play your General this way, you must pay {2} for each previous time you have played it this way.
8. Players begin the game with 40 life.
9. Your first mulligan is a free one. (you mull to 7)
10. If a player suffers 21 points of combat damage from a single General, they lose.
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badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

Tan will just be the TO for Drafts, John Tong will always be the judge...phew

The idea is Tan builds up his levels so that the whole fnm does not fall over if Michael Barclay cant make friday nights.

Sanction but no FNM foils at the start.

71dion · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1672 Location: Sunny Gold Coast

Another great show guys, I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it..... cheers
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badguy · Like Arnie, or like Nixon? Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 395

Good work guys, is a pleasant way to relax for 1/2 an hour at work while looking like I'm working hard

MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:

Yeah the conversation in the show flows really well and the time spent discussing each topic is right on.

This weeks special guest was a little hard to hear though (barking in the background).

weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:

Barking? I thought that a person

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archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

Yeah the dog next door was going nuts. You should have heard the bit I edited out!!!

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archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

Yeah chubtoad, who is snide and unhelpful now???

AanAllein · Dave Who? Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 4383

weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:19 am Post subject:

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject:

Bobmarlay · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject:

and i voted you second in a beauty competition cameron, collect $10 off each player

mindfire · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject:

Miffed Moogle · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject:

I liked it, the editing really shows, although it's so short now, I always hope it does longer! (compared to MTG salvation especially heh, although they do ramble on).

I can't wait until new place is up, Ipswich is so far, but I'm very grateful Andrew, Johnny and Aaron did what they did, especially since Chris is having difficulties it seems (if he is resetting up). I can't wait!
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silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

I will admit I probably overstated the crapness of the set. It is still a pretty crap set(in my opinion), but obviously there are going to be some playables. I do think chapin massively exaggerated the number of playables in the set though.

I will retract what I said before, I now think that shards is the worst big set that has been released since I started playing magic(by far)

I really really hate the fact that there are nearly 0 playable monocoloured cards in the set and the spots wasted on reprinting cards that are already in another expansion in standard. There is no thoughtseize/colossus/bitterblossom/mystical teachings/teferi/damnation/meloku/divining top/remand quality card in this set. As far as I see it all the staple cards for standard are currently coming from lorwyn block. Hopefully I am wrong.

Coldsnap was maybe a worse set.

AanAllein · Dave Who? Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 4383

silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

The reason only those cards made my list is because I spent all of 1 secopnd thinking it up, and those are the cards I have played a lot. Obviously every staple card didn't make it on there.
Yeah, I was probably biased going in, but at this point I have had time to look at all the cards and I am far from excited. I agree that some of the cards on your list are powerful, the problem is that they are all multi-colour(I count nacatl as multi-colour), most of them 3 colours. Cards like colossus or cryptic command can go in many different decks.

I don't expect 1 set to be equal to lorwyn block, I would hope for it to at least make a decent ripple in the format though. Not just add 2 or 3 new cards for current decks.
Anyway, we have what we have and I am dealing with it. I am over the fact that I hate the set and I am attempting to make the best of it by trying to figure out which cards R&D made by accident.

AanAllein · Dave Who? Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 4383

i dunno. shadowmoor/eventide didn't really make any new decks either. i mean, even when time spiral block was legal, the vast majority of decks were still lorwyn based... revillark being the main exception. i think when you have a linear block with a couple non-linear blocks, it's not too surprising to see the linear block take precedence in establishing deck skeletons

i don't quite agree that cryptic command can go in any deck though. triple U is about as restrictive a mana cost as CDE... if you're not obsessed with playing islands

i'm more looking at the set in regards to extended (since, when is standard relevant again? not for ages, right?) where it you get a lot more value from the set thanks to cards like salvage titan and master of etherium giving you more options in affinity, and fetchlands letting you cast the spells more easily in decks that don't have 20 come-into-play-tapped lands

MulliAgain · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:26 am Post subject:

I'd like to see Fae decks morph into something more aggressive using Grixis Charm's and Agony Warp's in place of Rune Snag and Terror.

tnert · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 946 Location: Acacia Ridge

would esper charm be better for its aggro-control niche?
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badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

MulliAgain · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:57 am Post subject:

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

If fairies was red blue black you got to play at least one Cruel ultimatum

tnert · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 946 Location: Acacia Ridge

in faeries? why bother with an endgame when you're supposed to stop the opponent getting there?
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weasel · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:55 am Post subject:

Well at first I thought you were crazy, but thats some pretty solid reasoning right there. The only thing that would hold me back is having to add bad mana to your 2-color deck.
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badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

Its Luke that's advocating UBR. I just say if your going to play those color you have to play the "ULTIMATE" spell..... unless its the pro tour or your trying to win or something.

I don't fully agree going UBR with that because it doesn't overcome the card draw problem.

I prefer UWB with just 4 x the UWB comes into play tapped land (fine on turn one), 1 plains and 4 x the sac land which as most of your early spells are 2 cost but only one colored you don't really have to sack straight away.

That choice means sunken ruins (aka cryptic command mana land) and reflecting pool aren't your go to lands but I prefer the sac land because you can go 25 and 26 land and not take a hit in card quality and drawing, which is even more important post Visions.

If you can resist the need to add wrath, and instead plan for condemn or some other good one colored white cost spells it makes sense.

It comes down to a battle of the charms though and I think Esper charm is the one because all 3 modes are likely to be good. I would play 6 if allowed.

UWB gives you card draw and blossom advantage while RUB gives you Terror Redundancy and two bonus effects. I don't think Fairies can really out aggro Kithkin or "Super Duper Lawrence Boros deck" so I like UWB.

Damm you Weasel, tricking me into letting you know all my plans!

MulliAgain · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:28 am Post subject:

Long live Boros (although he has been in a coma lately).

This is an interesting thread. It is evident that the fae can choose between a more control (UBW) or aggro based deck (UBR) in the format. That flexibility may see it continue strong in constructed.

71dion · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1672 Location: Sunny Gold Coast

Having never played the fae ( and not likely to in the future ), I think Andrew's reasoning is pretty solid and worth investigating for those who love the little fliers...... also, the mana base he talked about seems in theory to be fairly solid and consistent..... ( even possibly for Wrath with a little further tweaking )...
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silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

is Ep 5 coming today?

weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject:

It has been recorded, but we (and by we, I mean Cameron) haven't had the time to edit it yet.

I'd do it, but I'm terrible.

It should before the end of the week, for sure.
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silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

nooooooooooooooooo I'm so borrrrrred

weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject:

So listen to the other episodes, on repeat.

I know I do.
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weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject:

Or better yet, write an article about your Legacy deck.
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silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

I don't care enough, or know enough about legacy to do that.

weasel · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject:

Well caring enough is a problem, but as far as knowing about the format, you don't need to know about it to write about it. You know more than many that would read it, and you can always angle it as the view of someone who doesn't know. I don't know anything and I'm always giving my opinion

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tnert · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 946 Location: Acacia Ridge

things like optimal use of lion's eye diamond etc.
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