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weasel · Last edited by weasel on Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:18 am; edited 2 times in total

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Talking Crap!
A magical podcast

Talking crap is a podcast starring Levi "Thinks-he-owns-the-place" Hinz, and Cameron "Controversial" Veigel, bringing you opinions and insights you can happily ignore, or pass on to your children's children.

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In this episode:

Credits:
Starring Levi Hinz and Cameron Veigel
Recorded in front of a live studio audience of 2.
Title and end song: Blink 182 - I Miss You
Running time: Approx 57 mins.
File size: <10mB
Unofficial Rating: PG. Mild coarse language.
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71dion · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1672 Location: Sunny Gold Coast

Hmmm interesting... so... before I download it, how big is the file ???
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archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

9.8 Mb

71dion · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1672 Location: Sunny Gold Coast

Sweet... good size

, I will give my 2c worth when I get a chance to listen later today ( while working... Wink

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tnert · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 946 Location: Acacia Ridge

rss/atom feed for installation into itunes?
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mindfire · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:12 am Post subject:

So ... is this the surprise, or should I keep guessing Question

I like guessing ...

weasel · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:12 am Post subject:

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

when we get better equipment, and if everyone thinks we are Mossbridge Troll rather than Chimney Imp?

silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

I have been slow played out of fnm before and that was bad enough.

Also I have lost to first blood which is the worst thing ever.

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

So Levi is Fatty Vautin and Cameron is the resident expert

People seem to have given Mike a hard time, but compared to all the other shops they had a tourney, chairs and tables with numbers, a judge, a time that was good for players (i.e. not Saturday day time) and advertising..... which sadly means OGC was light years ahead of anywhere else I have played in Brisbane.

One year ago if there was no OGC I would have thought about opening a shop...its the ultimate dream for nerds right

Now days I would have to keep working my current job so doing it half arsed just seems like a good ticket to frustration and losing money.

But the moment I saw a bunch of ACE guys get boxes for A$ 110.00 from the US rather than from a local store that dream died, and I am not surprised ACE doesn't care about magic, since it seems so irrelevant to their income stream.

Cameron hit the nail on the head though, it seems so easy for a store to pick up from the loss of OGC. All they really need is one magic guy to judge, do pairings and it could work.

a store like Annerley which I'm guessing does not bring in much from magic would all of a sudden make some dough if they had FNM.

Unfortunately I think it would be quite painful doing business with them
little things like organising chairs and tables would be a sh*tfight.

It is such a waste because there could be a successful business with them basicaly giving free rent for a Friday Night tournament, selling a few things on the night but also becoming the place people would go for random pack purchases during the week.

The person coming in to run the FNM, could have their own folders and stock if needed and because it is only one day of physical work (i know there would be a bit more to it).
If Chris was the guy it seems win win except egos on the Ace side would prolly get in the way.

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

Me too. That's why I will never play a deck with Darkheart Sliver in it.

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

I do remember someone trying to slow play me at an FNM, and a certain Tournament organiser giving us a massive extension so the game could finish, which it would have normally if one of the players played at a normal pace.

After wards the slow player said to me "that time extension wasn't right" I guess expecting me not to bite back but I told him "I thought it was fair because if you played at a proper pace we would have got a result an hour ago, and you shouldn't complain that we had enough time to finish".
After that I had no problems with him so I guess players just have to complain more...but obviously at a place with no judge you might not get a result.

weasel · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:41 am Post subject:

MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:41 am Post subject:

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

Any tourney has to have a judge, and someone that keeps track of the game. Michael at ACE is a good guy and is their number one magic man but you need to devote a lot of time to keeping up rulings and cards otherwise the rulings are really slow and you lose the players confidence.

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

pffft as if winning on first blood is satisfying in the least.

If you think it is, I would argue that you have no soul.

71dion · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1672 Location: Sunny Gold Coast

I am about half way thru and loving it guys... and I approve throughly of getting my name mentioned ( even if it is a small one... Wink

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badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

silensis · Comes into play tapped Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 698

should get kev to open a 2nd store

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

If I owned a store I would have this playing in the tournament area before the event started

MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:47 am Post subject:

weasel · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:48 am Post subject:

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

I think Luke is saying he disagrees with Levi that winning by first blood isn't satisfying. I guess it is interesting in the instances where you have some legitimate targets to mulligan like Luke's deck which had like 5 good things to get or the kithkin deck at States that beat Sam which has one drops to get.
But in most decks you have no control and it feels like the biggest cr** shoot ever....not satisfying.

MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:57 am Post subject:

Maybe satisfying is misleading since that depends on your depth.

I like cheap thrills so this style of winning appeals to me.

Also point in case, did you see the guy who top decked lightning helix to beat Oliver Ruel a couple of years back. Now that is the kind of win I'm talking about.

weasel · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject:

I can see the cheap thrills aspect as something exciting. But IMO magic should be about forming a strategy and implementing it. You get to play spells, react to your opponents spells, move backwards and forwards for position and outplay your opponent.

First blood is analogous to a coin flip. Coin flips belong in a casino, not in a game of magic.
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badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

I do remember the match with Luke versus Cameron, and the crowd did get interested because Lukes deck had a few things to aim for and going down to 4 was interesting. Did not feel much like magic though.

Sort of like decided the Football World Cup final by Penalty shootout....come on its the final just organise a replay.

MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject:

[/quote]First blood is analogous to a coin flip. Coin flips belong in a casino, not in a game of magic.[/quote]

How do you determine who plays and who draws?

Sure, 90% (statistics from ABARE) of games are played by parry and thrust. It's that other small percentage of games that are different, that have that element of luck or something else that can break the game and make Magic truely exciting.

badlittlemonkey · Monkey Magic Joined: 22 Jan 2007 Posts: 2769

I guess we are still talking about it

I don't want too see it again but at least it is now a famous/infamous match in the History of Brisbane magic.

weasel · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject:

71dion · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1672 Location: Sunny Gold Coast

Well guys... I have just got thru the podcast... very enjoyable, time certainly flies by... here's my thoughts on the subjects :-

- Judging ( I am a little surprised a judge wasn't around for the finals... it seems that this is when they really need to be vigilant - with the winners prize being so big... hopefully this will be something that will be rectified at the next event )
- Game stores ( It is a pity that OGC closed, as local stores breed real competition very slowly and higher level of quality of players over time and having them close down can lead to quite a drain on that playskill, however you do need owners etc that care about magic somewhat - something I think that Mike somewhat brings to the bringer events, they are typically really well run even with the odd glitches. I myself would play much more - and encourage Lachlan also if we had a store on the GC... but it doesn't exist - for competitions any more... a real pity )
- Shards Previews... ( nice review of the few cards available )... Wink

- Top ( with it gone, I think it will encourge some more development / interesting decks this extended season, rather than just counter-top vs everyone else )...
- Wacky draft ( sounded like fun, you should really try CUBE at some stage soon - providing someone has one - it's cheap for everyone and by all accounts, a ball )

There you go, 2c ( maybe 5c worth )... Laughing

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MulliAgain · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject:

Also finished listening to the podcast. You both sound fine and the conversation flows naturally which is great.

The first two segments were solid and interesting.

The Shards preview started fine but then got bogged down in mind numbing banter. I switched off (mentally) about here but I am not sure if it was because it was conversation or the time into the podcast. You could really make this section (card review, combos etc) a strong part of your weekly review. Keep it simple and maybe pick a couple of cards, combos, decks, etc. Also, you will sound more credible if you are more familiar with the cards before reviewing them.

The segment about extended was fine. A little bit of banter but was okay.

Overall, it was a pretty good segment that would do better going for 30 mins maximum. Good job.

archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

Thanks for all your input guys. I want to aim for something closer to the 30 minute mark next time also but we had a few extra things to discuss here and it was our first trial anyway so I figured we would be forgiven :p

Thanks for listening!

badguy · Like Arnie, or like Nixon? Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 395

I enjoyed the banter, was a bit stilted at first but then you both relaxed and everything flowed more freely.

One thing I noticed and appreciated was the range of topics spoken about, and the way that it prevented it dragging on too long(even though it did still drag a little at one or two points)

Also big props for the name drop.

weasel · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the input guys (and keep it coming if you haven't listened yet!) Yes we were a little rough at first which might have made it hard to listen to, but we did indeed relax as time went on.

The previews bit did go on a bit long, we started talking about it and didn't really realized how much time had passed. I probably should have cut some of this out in editing.

As for being more familliar with the cards, part of me wanted to be unfamilliar so we wouldn't come across as bored with what we were talking about. I wanted to show the surprise that any of us would have shown when first reading the cards (because surprise is what spoilers are about.) I do agree that it seemed really unpolished, especially when trying to remember Sarkan Vol's name (though IMO this part was hilarious), but I partly want this show to be more conversational than strict reporting. I'm hoping this will allow the listener to be relaxed while listening to the podcast, which allows you to connect and relate better.

Of course if this isn't the case then I need to reevaluate what the audience should take from it. But its probably a bit too much analysis for me for just the first episode.

We certainly need to have to better manage our resources so information like spoilers are on-hand, so that we're not stalling so much.

I'll be taking all of this on board for the future though, so keep your suggestions and comments coming.

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tnert · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 946 Location: Acacia Ridge

As long as you don't have egregious mistakes like pronouncing the b in subtle, then you're already better than evan erwin. God, he takes up the entire screen.
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Peers · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject:

pump the fist for edh and 1 $ rares

ps. how do i download it
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archelon · Voice of Reason Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 2859

Wow we name dropped a lot in this didn't we...

Dion, Dave Crewe, Dave Williamson, Sam and Peers all got a mention...